E57 - Chief Bob

Jeff: 0:00

This week, an American legend passes on, a country singer gets angry, Florida tries to control your name, and for the last time, don't go in the river. Welcome to Subpar Talks. Hey everybody, welcome to Subpar Talks, where we have conversations about everything. I'm Jeff.

Chris: 0:37

And I'm Chris.

Jeff: 0:38

Thank you again for joining us. And as always, here is our standard disclaimer. Listener discretion is advised. We are going to curse, maybe a lot. And depending on the episode, we will touch on some mature subject matter and we inject our humor into a lot of this stuff. So if that is not your thing, then perhaps this podcast is not for you. For everybody else, you know what you're getting into, so here we go with this week's topics.

Chris: 1:09

So, this happened a few weeks ago and we haven't had a chance to talk about it yet, but Bob Barker died. He did. Made it to 99. Made it to 99. Yeah. I'm sure you saw this too. It was going around, but there was this meme talking about how he made it almost to 100 without going over.

Jeff: 1:30

I did see that. That's hilarious. How

Chris: 1:33

appropriate. Yeah. I was, I was kind of upset though, that, that he didn't make it to a hundred, like you live all that time and then you just can't quite make it. But, he had the same birthday as me. Not the

Jeff: 1:49

same year. Just too many years

Chris: 1:51

apart? Yeah. We're a few years different.

Jeff: 1:55

You look really good for 99. Thank

Chris: 1:58

you. I do what I can. Yeah, it was 99. So I was looking, I was just curious, I mean, good grief, he, so he started with The Price Was Right in 1972. And so he did that for 35 years until 2007. Which is just a crazy amount of time to do that. And I was just wondering, you know, that means he was like 48 or 49, I guess 48 then when he started with the Price is Right, I was thinking, well, what did he do before that, because that's all I know him for, I have no idea of anything he did before that. So it said that when he was in, uh, college. He got a job on a radio show and then he did another radio show three or four years, I think, then he got a job on a show called Truth or Consequences. Have you heard of that? Yeah,

Jeff: 3:07

I've heard of that. And I saw that, um, somewhere after he died, I saw that he was the host of Truth or Consequences. Yeah, but I don't know what that was. I

Chris: 3:19

don't either. The name sounds kind of familiar, but I don't know anything about the show, but he did it for 19 years and it was, um, overlapped the Price is Right. He did it until 1975. Oh, three years there that he was doing both, but obviously most well known for Price is Right. I just, I had this kind of. Sometimes that show is, and we've talked about that on here, how, you know, neither one of us could ever be contestants on that show because everybody's just so over the top. Yeah. And sometimes that shows just a little much for me because of that, with everybody being so ultra excited. But at the same time, I kind of have this Endearing kind of special place in my heart because I associate it with being little growing up times. It's like, Ooh, every day waking up, Ooh, here's the price is right on. And it was just kind of an exciting time in that way of just carefree, I guess, is what I think about just carefree, hanging around, watching TV and that's what's

Jeff: 4:35

on. That's the way it was. And when you're sick, home from school, you know, that's what you're watching. Yeah. The price is right. You're right. We didn't have, uh, we didn't have the internet or tons of channels to choose from, or no, I guess. Subpar Talks, LGBT, subpartalks, www. independentjeff. com, www. independentjeff. com, www. independentjeff. com, And you just, you can root against them. So when they lose at the game, just kind of laugh and smile. Yeah. That's a shame. That's a shame. You must go now.

Chris: 5:37

I saw this about him. I had no idea. Is it, he's a Native American.

Jeff: 5:43

And, Bob Barker's Native American?

Chris: 5:46

Yeah, and this picture, I can totally see it. Chief Bob. Chief Bob? Yeah, I can totally see it in this picture, I mean, feature wise, really dark hair, um, but I had no idea otherwise, but yeah, it said he was born and raised. on Rosebud Indian Reservation in Washington.

Jeff: 6:21

Oh, wow. Yeah, I had no idea.

Chris: 6:24

And was a citizen of the Rosebud Sioux tribe. Huh.

Jeff: 6:29

Yeah. How about that? Very interesting. Yeah. So I looked this up because I knew we were going to talk about Bob Barker. Did you know that Aaron Paul was on The Price is Right, Jesse of Breaking Bad? So I

Chris: 6:47

think I knew that a long time ago and I recently saw a clip of that. I had forgotten it. But he

Jeff: 6:54

was hilarious on there. Oh, I know. Talk about over the top. He is really over the top. And honestly, if I didn't know who he was and I didn't love Breaking Bad so much, and I was just watching that, I would have rooted against him because he's so over the top yelling and screaming and jumping around.

Chris: 7:12

Yeah. He's, he's way out there. He was, he was so excited about

Jeff: 7:16

Bob. He was, he said, you're my idol. Um, so I'll post that clip. Uh, in the episode notes, cause it's, it's good, it's funny to watch. And spoiler alert, I can tell you what happens. With Aaron Paul, so if you don't want to know the outcome, then, uh, mute for like 10 seconds, but he makes it to the showcase showdown, right? The, or the find the showcase, whatever it's called at the end. Well, he

Chris: 7:48

doesn't win his prize first.

Jeff: 7:52

Well, yeah, he doesn't win, but he comes up, he goes barely over. No, I'm

Chris: 7:58

talking about the, he gets up on stage, but he doesn't win that prize, which is the car.

Jeff: 8:04

Okay. I don't remember that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Chris: 8:07

He doesn't want, so he doesn't win his game and then he gets to

Jeff: 8:13

the showcase. Yeah. And he misses

Chris: 8:16

that too.

Jeff: 8:20

So he probably didn't even get a parting gift. And, uh, somebody else that was on the Price is Right, Vanna White, was on there. Yes, that was a long time ago. And I think, I'll post that clip too, it was in 1980, I think, is when that was. Yeah,

Chris: 8:47

I was gonna say, I thought it was a little while before she was on Wheel of Fortune. I think they started in 82?

Jeff: 8:56

I think so. You need to watch the Vanna White clip on Price is Right. Yeah? She's alright? Yeah, yeah, she's alright. She's so young there, she's like, well, what did we say she was? Like 66, something like that. So that's

Chris: 9:15

43 years ago. So

Jeff: 9:18

23, 23. Yeah. My God. 23. Yeah. Well, yeah. Have a look. It's good. She never, spoiler alert for this. She, she gets called first, like at the opening of the show. She's one of the first four. She never makes it out of concessions row. She's there the whole time.

Chris: 9:43

She's probably figuring out how to get the numbers to come up on

Jeff: 9:46

the screen. Right. So if we ever did make it on there, that would never happen, of course, but if I ever made it, that would be my luck. I'd be in contestants row for the entire time, or I'd be one of the ones called at the, I'd be the last person called on the show. So. Unless you got one shot to get up there on stage and then that's it. Yeah. So knowing that we were going to talk about this, about chief Bob Barker and the price is right, there's a website. I don't know if you know about it. Ranker. com it's where people can go. You can go there and just rank different things and then they just. Calculate the results. So you could go and like rank best movies of the 1970s or whatever. And it's just, it, it ranks it based on how people have voted and they have one for people's favorite Price is Right games. So we'll run through this pretty fast. Some of these, I have no idea what they are. Maybe you do. And I got to preface this with saying I've not watched Price is Right in, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw an episode. No,

Chris: 11:04

I couldn't either. And I never felt like I was a very good, uh, much of an expert on all of their games either. There's a few that I would recognize, but I might not know what they're called. Or I know, or I know a name, but I don't remember what it is. Like, well, what do you have to do?

Jeff: 11:22

Yeah, I'm not good with the, the names of the games. In fact, on this I had to look up, well, Ranker. com had pictures of it, and I'm like, oh yeah, that game. But I didn't really, uh, know the name of it. OK. Number 10. We'll work our way down to number 1. Number 10 is the Race Game. The Race Game is where they have like four prizes. And you have four, like, price tags, and you gotta put the right price tag on the thing, on what you think that item is, and then you run back to the little, I don't know what it is, and you pull the lever, and it tells you how many you have right, you remember that? OK. Uh, a little bit. OK. And, I mean, it's hard to win. I remember watching that when I was young and hardly anybody wins at it. It's fun to watch because they're frantic. You know, you got like 45 seconds, I think, to get all those right. And you're really, you're really fucked if you have like three right and one wrong, because then you're like, okay, which one's wrong? And inevitably they switch the wrong ones up. And now, oh, you only got two, right? And so you lose track of which one was where and it's, it's frantic. And of course the crowd's going nuts.

Chris: 12:42

And let me just throw this out here. It's like anything else. It's all easy when you're sittin on your couch watchin

Jeff: 12:49

Absolutely, yes. Imagine

Chris: 12:51

being on the stage with all of these people yellin at you and they're yellin different

Jeff: 12:55

things. Oh, I know. And

Chris: 12:57

you're nervous and trying to actually put some thought into this. That would be crazy.

Jeff: 13:07

It's like the guy sitting on his couch on Sunday afternoon saying he could throw the ball better than whoever. Yeah. Uh, number nine is a game called Cover Up. I have no idea what that is. I don't remember that. No. Number eight, something called It's in the Bag. No clue what that is. Does it? I don't

Chris: 13:29

remember what it is, but I mean, what you have to do, but that sounds

Jeff: 13:33

familiar. Uh, number seven is Let Em Roll. No clue. I

Chris: 13:41

wonder if that's one of the dice games. They had more than one dice game.

Jeff: 13:45

Yeah, they did. In fact, there's one coming here on the list that is the dice game. That's what I thought that was, but it's not. And honestly, I could go to Wikipedia and describe these games, but that would be really boring. Uh, number six is the Money Game. I know you know this one. It's such a generic name for a game, but it's where they have, like, so it's for a car, you play for a car, it's always a car when somebody's playing this game, and they have double digits. Yeah. And you're supposed to guess the first two numbers of the car and the last two numbers of the car. And I think they give you the middle digit maybe. And when they uncover the correct one, it's the first half of the car behind the numbers. Do you remember that? Yeah. And you only have so many tries. Yeah. That's a good game. I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Uh, I know you'll know this one, Hole in One. This is where Bob Barker would always putt, you know. Yeah. And he was pretty good at it. Yeah. Speaking of Bob Barker and just hosting that show, it was weird. I had not watched it in years, but when Drew Carey took over, it was weird to see somebody else doing all the stuff that Bob Barker did. Yeah. I know. Just didn't seem right at all. Yeah. Number four is the dice game. Okay. So yeah, they always play for a car. I couldn't really, I can't remember how exactly it works, but I know it was always for a car. That's

Chris: 15:17

what Aaron Paul

Jeff: 15:18

played for his car. Oh, was it? Okay. So I didn't see that. Maybe you watched a longer clip than I did. I don't remember that. Uh, number three is Punch A Bunch. I don't know if you know that name, but I, I think you know the game. So they have this, uh, giant board of little pieces of paper, little circles, and you punch it through. I think you have to, like, qualify, get so many whatever punches, and you punch it through, and I think the most you can win is like 10, 000, and you pull a piece of paper out and it says like 500. And you're like, OK, do you want to ditch the 500 bucks and go for another punch, and try to get more money, or do you want to hold and keep that, and it's good. Good game. Number two, I know you know this one. Cliffhangers. This is with the yodeling guy going up the mountain. Yes, going up the thing, yeah, and then, yeah, it'd fall off. So, this is funny. I gotta recount this. I got this from Wikipedia. So, there was a time in the 70s... Where they had a nighttime Price is Right and yeah, I think it went for like four or five years maybe. So it was like prime time. Bob Barker was not the host of this. It was somebody named Dennis James. And it talked about Dennis James and Bob Barker and Drew Carey. They always called the yodeling guy different nicknames, like they said Drew Carey calls him Hans and something else, I don't remember what. They're always doing German, like German or Swiss names or whatever. Well, one night they were doing this game. And the yodeling guy is going up the, the, the mountain and he falls off. And Dennis James had nicknamed the guy Fritz. Just, that's what he called him. It's a German name. We're going to call him Fritz. And so he falls off and he says, Oh, there goes Fritz. What he didn't know was that one of the models husband, named Fritz Stomberger, had recently disappeared in a mountain climbing accident.

Chris: 17:50

Oh no.

Jeff: 17:53

And it's said she spent the entire episode behind the stage crying like she was in consult level.

Chris: 17:59

But I

Jeff: 18:04

had to share that because I knew you'd appreciate it. That's

Chris: 18:06

just funny. I'm sorry, but that's funny. There goes Fritz.

Jeff: 18:13

Okay, you got any guesses as to what number one is going to be here? It's a good game. Plinko. Plinko's number one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like Plinko.

Chris: 18:26

That was always a popular game. The thing is... I think you've got better chances on other games.

Jeff: 18:33

Oh yes, definitely. Yeah. They never, I never saw anybody win a lot of money. No, there's

Chris: 18:38

not that much you can do with playing. No, like no. You aim and hope for the best.

Jeff: 18:44

Right. And you got the, what is it in the middle? It's like 10, 000, but you got two zeros right next to it. Like, yeah, the, your chance, the chances of you winning anything significant or. Pretty slim on that game, but it's fun to watch.

Chris: 18:59

Yeah, it is.

Jeff: 19:01

I always wanted to play that game. I'm surprised the clock game's not on here. You talk about being frantic. You know, the clock game. Oh, I

Chris: 19:10

remember that. Yeah.

Jeff: 19:12

So where you got, you have two prizes. And you have a minute to try to win both of them and you have to guess the, the price of the first one and Bob Barker's there saying higher or lower for whatever you guess. And yeah, that'd be nerve wracking, but I think it'd be fun. Yeah. I always wanted to do that. I wanted to spin the wheel.

Chris: 19:38

Yeah. Spinning the wheel will be great, but we can do it without falling

Jeff: 19:42

down. I would hope so.

Chris: 19:46

Well, Aaron Paul did. We could

Jeff: 19:47

do it. So that's an American icon who is no more Chief Bob Barker. Yeah, I'm

Chris: 19:55

afraid, uh, we're going to be losing a lot of people over the next 10 to 15 years because too many people, too many really good people, good at what they do are getting up there.

Jeff: 20:08

That's amazing that he started that when he was 48. My God. Right? That gives me

Chris: 20:14

hope, it's like, it's not over yet.

Jeff: 20:23

You too can maybe someday host a game show.

Chris: 20:31

So one of our listeners wrote and asked us to talk about this song, um, wanted to get our take on it. And it, uh, is pretty much right along the lines of some of the stuff that we've talked about where we're getting shafted, Mm-hmm. So apparently the singer agrees with us. So, uh, the, the listener was Crystal, and the song is called Richmond, north of Richmond. Mm-hmm. And for those that don't know, the Richmond, north of Richmond are in Washington, DC mm-hmm. So that's what we're talking about here. Yeah. So, we can't play the song on here, we could link it in the, uh, in the notes. Yeah. I guess I can say it,

Jeff: 21:24

right? Uh, yeah, I don't think there's any problem with that.

Chris: 21:30

Yeah. And I'm not going to read it verbatim. I'll just kind of skip through, um, parts of it and, and kind of paraphrase, but it starts off, I've been selling my soul, working all day, overtime hours for bullshit pay. So, I sit out here and waste my life away, drag back home, and drown my troubles away. It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to for people like me and people like you. Wish I could just wake up and it not be true, but it is oh it is. Living in the new world with an old soul, these rich men, north of Richmond, Lord knows they all just want to have total control. Want to know what you think, want to know what you do, and they don't think you know, but I know that you do. Cause your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end. I wish politicians would look out for minors, as in, people who mine, and not just minors, as in, underage people, on an island somewhere. Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothing to eat, and the obese milkin welfare. God, if you're 5'3 and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds. Young men are putting themselves six feet in the ground because all this damn country does is keep on kicking them down. And then it goes on with the chorus after that. So,

Jeff: 23:03

this guy's upset. He's very upset. And I guess you alerted me to this. I don't know that I had seen it before. Maybe I had. I don't know. But I went to the YouTube clip. And I couldn't take his voice for more than about 10 seconds. I was just standing there playing a banjo or whatever the fuck he has a guitar, I guess. I don't know what it is, but he's yelling and just, I couldn't take it. But evidently this song is blown up. Like this is all over. Like this is number one country song in America. And I got some problems with it.

Chris: 23:44

So that's really funny that it's number one. He couldn't take it.

Jeff: 23:50

Well, it's not really my genre of music. Oliver Anthony is his name. I guess we should give him some props. This is the person who wrote it. I'm assuming he's the person who sings it. I think his anger is misplaced in a lot of ways. The first part of the song, I don't know, I'd like to hear your take in a second. The first part of the song, I mean, just, just working for low wages, like that's nothing new. People have been singing about that for ever, you know, low wages. I'm not sure what the people in Washington, D. C. have to do with his low wages. They're not employing him. It's for, or the people he's talking about, it's the corporations who are employing those people and paying them shit when they could pay more, depending on the corporation. But anyway, that's one thing. But that's nothing new either, just, just blaming people in Washington, D. C. Like there's a lot of blame to go around there and people have been singing about that forever. And just, you know, Bob Dylan was singing about that stuff in the 1960s. It makes me wonder why this has taken off like it has when there are dozens, hundreds of protest songs, you know, blaming people in DC for a lot of our ills, but then he goes on to blame poor people. Which I don't, I mean, you can blame a lot of people and a lot of things for the shit that you're feeling, but poor people, that should be way down on the list, in my opinion, that seems like an easy target to just blame poor people. On welfare when Yeah. Corporations are fucking you in every single hole that they can fuck you in.

Chris: 25:48

Well, his problem, his problem is that they're fat and still getting welfare.

Jeff: 25:55

Well, I talk about this with my students, you know, and I have students, you know, they say, oh, these poor people buying, uh, you know, sweet. Like Oreos, cookies, or fudge, I don't even know what the fuck a fudge round is, I have no idea. But, you know, some kind of junk food. Oh, it's great. Little Debbie. OK, so, they get on the poor people for buying this stuff, but... My God, if you're on Food Stamps, you're trying to stretch your dollar, and that's the cheap stuff. Like, I mean, the stuff that's good for you is expensive. Fruit and vegetables. So there's a reason you're buying shit. That's right, I was watching this

Chris: 26:39

video the other day just talking about how expensive it is to eat well. Yeah. It's like, if you, you know, all the edges of the grocery store is where all the fresh stuff is. Fresh meat, fresh fruits, vegetables, all that kind of stuff. Like that's where generally the healthy stuff is. That's where it's most expensive. When you get on into the inside, that's where all the. The processed and boxed and canned and all that kind of stuff is, and the sweet stuff and yeah, you can get fat real quick on

Jeff: 27:11

all of that stuff. Sure can. Yeah. And Americans are doing it in spades.

Chris: 27:20

Well, I, no, I get what you're saying. And I do think some of it's misplaced. One of the things that stood out to me was talking about how we're taxed and. You know, we've talked about this before too, is Americans aren't taxed anywhere near the way people in other countries are. Now, we could talk about all of our taxes, you know, how it adds up, because it's not just income tax, but we've got sales tax and fuel tax and this tax, and I mean, there's all kinds of taxes built into all kinds of things. But I think the problem that most people have, I think the problem that a lot of people have is the distrust of the government is if you really felt like your taxes were going toward what you wanted them to be going for, whatever that is. And of course, everybody's going to have different opinions on what that should be, but there's, there is distrust among so many people of where that money is going, you know, number one, is it being just flat wasted? Number two, is it going to something that I don't want it to be going to? And that's where we've talked about, you know, countries that may seem better off than we are, where they may have higher taxes, but they're getting more from the government. In giving back to them in that way?

Jeff: 28:47

Yeah, it's uh, it's distrust the government for sure. And it's just a basic lack of knowledge. And it's ignorance, but, uh, they probably, I mean, it's through no fault of their, their own. For most people, they just have no clue. It's like, I'm employed and I'm paying into social security, but what does, how does that work? What does that do? And I'm paying into Medicare, so. How does that work? And part of the frustration, and I can understand this for sure, is you're paying into those programs, but you can't get them until you reach a certain age. So I'm paying for what really what you're doing is you're paying for other people. I mean, we're paying to. help out old people with Social Security and Medicare. That's what it boils down to, but I can, I can understand the frustration that I'm paying this tax right now and I'm getting nothing from it. Yeah.

Chris: 29:45

Well, and talking about the fact that we're paying for those people right now, the reason that's happened is because those funds have been robbed over the years, which goes to the distrust. You know, it's like, hey, that money has already been paid in, it's supposed to have been there. It's not, so we're paying for it. And so then that leads to the question, well, if I'm paying all this money and it's supposed to be there when I get there, but it's going out right now to the people who are getting it right now, who's to say whether I'm going to get anything?

Jeff: 30:21

It's a really popular program, Social Security is and Medicare is too, but something's going to have to be tweaked with it. But. If you're in Congress and you talk about tweaking Social Security or tweaking Medicare, you're gonna upset a whole lot of old people because they hear that and they think, OK, you're messing with my benefits, right? And, those age, uh, 65 and over are the most likely to vote, and they're just gonna fucking vote you out of office if they, if they think that you're messing with their social security and medicare. So, it's hard to do if you're in a position of power.

Chris: 31:03

Yeah. I wonder what will happen after a lot of baby boomers are gone when that well aged population is

Jeff: 31:13

less. Yeah, it sounds bad, but it'll, it will help the Social Security Trust fund for sure, just because we're not gonna be paying out as much. There are just so many retirees to workers right now, but that will improve. But what does that mean For 30 or 50 years down the road, people still aren't having as, as many kids. As they used to. Right. So

Chris: 31:38

don't be as many people paying in. Right. Well, and then do the, and then do the lawmakers look and go, well now there aren't as many old people to vote us out. So let's change it while we

Jeff: 31:49

can. Maybe you might remember this in the 2000 election between Al Gore and George W. Bush, we actually, our government actually had a surplus of money. This is one of the rare times where we actually were bringing more money in than we were spending out, than we were spending. And so the question, one of the questions in that 2000 election was what should we do with the surplus of money? And Al Gore said we should put the lockbox, keep it there, don't allow Congress to dip into it to pay for other stuff. And it became a joke, because he kept saying lockbox in every single debate, every interview where it came up, put it in a lockbox, lockbox, it just became a joke. Saturday Night Live, you know, Lampoon's lockbox and Al Gore. George W. Bush's idea was to give people tax cuts, and of course he won, so... That's what ended up happening. And of course that just fucks with your deficit. Anyway, I don't think we're going to have a surplus anytime soon. So that's kind of a non starter. I know. No, not from

Chris: 33:04

the footage I've seen.

Jeff: 33:07

Yup. Anyway, Richmond, North of Richmond. You think he's going to be a one hit wonder? You think he'll build on this and come up with something else? You know, I

Chris: 33:20

don't, I don't think I'm a good, uh, I don't think I'm a good judge of that anymore. Cause there have been some, some people that I thought sounded pretty good with their songs, whatever, and nothing comes of them. And then you've got other people that I'm like, wow, why is that even a thing? And they put out multiple. So. Yeah. You

Jeff: 33:44

never know. And I also wonder, I mean, I saw the video from what I could take of it, like 10 seconds, but it's just him standing like in a field or wherever he is with a microphone. It seemed kind of low budget. I don't know if he's actually signed to a record label or not, but it seems like this is something that would cause him to get signed. Like somebody is going to take a chance on him. So I don't know. Oh yeah. But if that's the case, good on him. Get your money while you

Chris: 34:14

can. You can get to the number one song, I would think. Yeah, somebody's gonna jump on that. Yeah. Yeah, he's standing, he's standing in the woods with a microphone. You know, we could do that. We could just do, do our podcast out in the woods.

Jeff: 34:29

Can I get, can I close my eyes and get angry and yell like he is? Yeah. Sure. Seems to rouse a lot of passion in people. Yeah. Maybe we'd become a number one

Chris: 34:39

podcast then. Never know. So we do a lot of talking on here about Texas and how Horrific and crazy stupid and yeah, stupid that they are. Well, Florida is giving Texas a run for its money. sure is because, uh, we, they, they're in a race to the bottom and I'm not sure who's winning right now. Um mm-hmm. but not to be outdone, Florida has, has put up another, they, they put more stakes in the game here, so, uh oh. They have passed a law. saying that students in Florida can no longer be called by or go by a name in school other than what is on their birth certificate without parental permission, and specifically saying they can't go by a nickname, anything like that, without parental permission.

Jeff: 35:44

And what is the point of this law?

Chris: 35:47

I think, and this wasn't just openly stated, of course, because they're probably not just going to openly state this, but if you have a transgender person, which they're all up in arms about, then you've got Bob, who now wants to be called Sue. And, well, that's not OK, because your mom, according to your birth certificate, yeah, right. But, see, a bigger problem with that, that means that you and I couldn't go by the names that we go by. No. Because your name is Jeffrey and mine is Christopher, and neither one of us go by that. We are technically nicknamed and we would have to have parental permission in school to go by those names.

Jeff: 36:37

We'd have to get permission from our parents for the teachers to call us what we're already called at home. Yeah. How stupid is that? Yep. That's so stupid. That is stupid. It seems incredibly disrespectful. Forget the transgender part, why don't you respect a kid's wishes for what they want to be called? That's like their identification. Why not just whatever they want to be called? Right. What's wrong with

Chris: 37:04

that? Well, and specifically when you get to transgender, though, that's the idea, you know, not, not providing gender affirming care, things like that, is, well, how does the kid know what the kid wants? So, we're not going to allow it. If the kid can't know what the kid wants from a gender standpoint or anything like that, then we can't allow them to change their name, we can't allow them to be something that they're quote unquote not. So, no, you're Jeffrey. You can't be Jeff.

Jeff: 37:43

What has happened with Florida? I really don't know just a lot about Florida, but when did they start going off the deep end? Cause I don't think they used to be like this. I don't

Chris: 37:56

think so either. It seems to me like it's all been with DeSantis. I don't remember hearing anything like this before him. Now, they're passing these laws, which that doesn't just happen by accident, by mistake. There's enough of them creating the laws and voting for the laws, but of course, that doesn't mean that that's representative of the population of the state, either. It's just representative of the population of the government.

Jeff: 38:28

Right, yeah, the people in power. You know what they say about Florida? The farther north in Florida you go, the more Southern it gets. So

Chris: 38:40

yeah, creeping up toward Alabama

Jeff: 38:43

and Georgia. Yeah. Panhandle Florida. Uh, yeah. You know, Jacksonville up near Georgia and all that. I mean, it's just the deep South is where you are, but then you're talking about places in the South like Miami and areas along the coast. Although I think Tampa's pretty conservative, but it's farther north

Chris: 39:08

though.

Jeff: 39:08

Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. But Miami and, uh, is it Palm Beach or Palm Springs? Which one, which is Palm Beach, Palm Beach. Yeah. Palm Beach,

Chris: 39:19

Fort Lauderdale.

Jeff: 39:21

Yeah. See, those are pretty liberal places as far as I know. Much more

Chris: 39:26

cosmopolitan. Yeah. Yeah. And ironically has a huge population and yet They're not seeming so represented in that way.

Jeff: 39:38

Right. And Florida used to be, uh, well, speaking of the 2000 election, that whole fiasco, that's what it came down to. Yeah. We learned then that Florida's way behind the times. Yes, we did. Using punch card ballots. Yeah. technology from the 1950s or before Chads. Yeah. Hanging chads, pregnant chads, you know, that's that election in 2000, it came down to Florida. It was really close, but Florida has kind of gone red in presidential elections since then. I think Obama won. He might've won Florida both times, but, um, it's been close and the, the elections after that, but Republicans won every time. Yeah. So fuck Florida. I have no desire to go there. Not just the politics, but it's hot, there's stuff, there's all kinds of weird bugs, snakes, alligators.

Chris: 40:44

Alligators, yeah,

Jeff: 40:46

yeah. Rednecks.

Chris: 40:49

Yeah, they're there too.

Jeff: 40:51

People with shotguns.

Chris: 40:53

Well, we got that here. Just without the alligators.

Jeff: 40:59

I just saw this today. Somebody in Texas died from a brain eating amoeba. Really? Talked about that. Yep. Yeah. Stay out of lakes. Stay out of rivers. It's not worth

Chris: 41:10

it. Yeah. No, I don't like it. I there's too much, nevermind the amoeba, although that could be enough of a reason, but there's too much in snakes and in lakes and rivers that, you know, I don't know, something's, something's going to get me. That's what I feel is it's inevitable. Something's going to get me in there. Speaking of now, this is not an alligator. And I can't remember where this was, but a shark was found in landlocked water. Did you see that work? In the U. S.? I don't know. It was somewhere in the U. S., but it was a sizable one. I mean, sizable as in, I don't want anything to do

Jeff: 41:59

with it. Can, uh, can they live in fresh water? Sharks? Evidently. Wow. I didn't think that that could happen. I'm pretty ignorant of fish though. I didn't think saltwater fish could live in freshwater and vice versa. I wouldn't have

Chris: 42:17

thought so either. I don't, I don't know how that happened. So. Wow. But I say that just because in Florida, you know, alligators can just, they'll pop up anywhere. Right. They'd be in your swimming pool. It'd

Jeff: 42:35

be terrifying. Uh, where was that lake? Do you know? I don't know. I don't look it up. All right.

Chris: 42:44

Idaho. Idaho? Yeah. It was in the Salmon River. Salmon. The Salmon River. The intact corpse of a shark.

Jeff: 43:02

The corpse? So it was dead? Oh, it was dead. Ok, so maybe it can't live in freshwater, but, ok, if it's a river, then... I mean, it could've made its way... but, what the hell? Idaho, that's not... It would've had to swum, swam, swum hundreds of miles. Yeah, that's

Chris: 43:27

bizarre. Officials said the fish appeared to be a salmon shark, which are named for feeding on salmon. Well, it was in the right place.

Jeff: 43:36

It was in the Salmon River. Well, yeah. Okay. So it was going where the food was. Big mistake. Yeah. Well, wait, are salmon, here's my ignorance of fish again. Are salmon not in the ocean? They are in the ocean. I thought they just swam upstream

Chris: 43:57

in the river. Yeah. I don't know if they, I don't know if they're, I don't think they're in the ocean.

Jeff: 44:03

Well, then how could it be a salmon shark? Cause they live in the ocean.

Chris: 44:09

It feeds on salmon. Well, that's, yeah, I don't know. So many questions. Okay. Here's

Jeff: 44:15

something now

Chris: 44:17

this says. The only known shark that can live in fresh water is the bull shark. So, there you go. Sharks can't typically live in fresh water, but a bull shark can.

Jeff: 44:30

OK, alright, is the bull shark big? Do you have a picture? Oh yeah, it's big. Oh my god. Oh mama. Well that's kind of scary. In Africa

Chris: 44:46

and Lake Nicaragua's in Nicaragua. That's kind of like a salmon shark in the Salmon River. Bull sharks live throughout the world in shallow, warm ocean waters. They've been known to swim up into freshwater

Jeff: 45:07

rivers. Damn. I thought it was just, you were going to say it was confined to Africa and Lake Nicaragua. I was like, I'm, I'm cool. I'm not anywhere near one of those. They're

Chris: 45:16

throughout the world and known to swim up into freshwater rivers. They are aggressive, common, and usually live near high population areas like tropical shorelines.

Jeff: 45:32

Oh my god. Well, that's Well, I mean, I wasn't gonna be swimming in rivers anyway, but that's just one more thing to cause me to not go into a, a river. Jesus.

Chris: 45:44

Yeah, I don't, I don't need that.

Jeff: 45:46

No. I got enough problems. Amoebas. Sharks. Snakes. Here. I'm

Chris: 45:52

out. They are stout, gray sharks that can range from 7 to 11 and a half feet in length. Oh my god. And weigh between 200 and 500 pounds. No. God almighty. Yeah. Can you imagine?

Jeff: 46:06

No. Well, thank you. Terrifying. Have you ever seen Jaws? In a

Chris: 46:10

river. I know. Like, you're just, you could just be out tubing in the river and here comes an 11 foot shark. I've seen part of Jaws. I've never seen the whole

Jeff: 46:26

thing. I haven't either. I've just seen clips. Yeah, people talk about how scary it is, but honestly, from what I've seen, it doesn't that scary.

Chris: 46:39

Yeah, I agree. From what I've seen, I don't think the movie is that scary. I could see if you were really in that situation, it would be scary. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't think the movie looks that scary. Maybe it was then. I don't know. I think our, uh, we have high expectations now.

Jeff: 46:59

True. What year is that, 1975? Seventy five, yep. OK. I kind of feel like people back then, yeah, just, I don't know, less sophisticated than we are. You know, when they showed the exorcist in theaters, people were passing out, like that happened all over the country. Were they really? Yeah, people freaking out, running out, passing out. There was one guy somewhere who had a heart attack. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, well

Chris: 47:34

there, see, we're just... That desensitized now. Yeah, right. They had never seen stuff like that before. We've seen a lot of it now. It's like, Oh, look, somebody else is

Jeff: 47:45

possessed. Exactly. That's the thing. Like nobody had ever witnessed that before. There had been scary movies, but nothing like that. Holy shit. So I can understand if you just walked in there. Can you imagine just walking in there and not really knowing what to expect? No, that'd be terrifying.

Chris: 48:06

Yeah. Well, the exorcist, we talked about this before, I think, but the exorcism of Emily Rose. Yeah, that one I think freaked me out a little bit more than the exorcist. Really, because, well, it was a true story, and just some of the things that you see in there is like, holy shit. Can you imagine if you were a witness to some of those things?

Jeff: 48:37

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